All RCGP members should be balloted on assisted dying
BMJ 2014; 348 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.g3274 (Published 28 May 2014) Cite this as: BMJ 2014;348:g3274
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Dr Hartropp states that the RCGP Patient Participation Group (PPG) were consulted and that ‘a clear majority were in favour that the RCGP should move to neutrality”
However, this brief summary of the group’s discussion is highly misleading - in that it does not show the true position or nuances surrounding PPG’s debate, that centred around the two questions:
Whether the College should or could have a collective view on an ethical issue; and
What should the College’s position be on assisted dying.
Collective view on ethical issues:
The Group was appreciative of the way that the College Council facilitated local discussions addressing the ethical issues around the assisted dying debate by deciding to consult with its constituent bodies and stakeholders rather than just holding a simple ballot of college membership.
The PPG members felt consensus was very important on important ethical issues such as this, and agreed that if consensus could not be reached on an issue, then this fact must be stated as such. A majority of the lay members (the GPs who are part of the group did not express any opinion to the group) agreed that it was indeed possible for the College, as a membership organisation, to have a collective view on ethical matters.
However, the Patient Partnership Group, like several other consulted groups, was unable to come to any consensus on the issue of assisted dying. Consequently, when a vote was taken, the members of the Group expressed their own personal positions, and this, by definition, meant that the Patient Partnership Group did not decide by “a clear majority” that the RCGP should move to neutrality.
In actual fact, four members voted in favour of neutrality, three members in favour of opposition, and the two clinicians refrained from voting so as not to sway the Group’s decision one way or the other. Significantly, no members of the Group voted in favour of a change in the law on assisted suicide. Dr Hartropp – please take note.
On Assisted dying:
I am well aware, from my own personal experience, that assisted dying involves intensely personal decisions by patients, their carers and healthcare professionals. Ever since I became a lay member of PPG, I have had to declare a personal interest in the College’s assisted dying debates because my wife, after being diagnosed with terminal lung cancer and a brain tumour in early 2008, suffered such extreme pain that we joined the Dignitas organization at the outset of her final illness.
Fortunately, the palliative care provided by our GP practice and the community palliative care team was able to identify a suitable drug regime that offered her reasonable respite and pain control. My wife and I were in constant discussions with our family during this time about the pros and cons of assisted dying or continuing with palliative care, and about a month before she eventually died, we finally made the decision to withdraw from Dignitas.
My personal family experience demonstrates that there is no clear-cut Yes or No answer to assisted dying, but I am thankful that my GP did persuade my wife and I to try the path of palliative care rather than proceed straightaway to Dignitas.
There will no doubt be great public interest in the outcome of the House of Lords free vote debate on the Assisted Dying Bill in July 2014, and I look forward to reading the full debate in Hansard.
I hope this sets the record straight regarding the RCGP’s PPG involvement in this debate.
Harvey Ward,
Chair,
RCGP Patient Partnership Group,
30 Euston Square,
London NW1
Competing interests: Chair, Patient Partnership Group, Royal College of General Practitioners
I would like to respond, on behalf of the RCGP, to several assertions made in Dr Hartropp’s latest response.
Factual assertion #1:
[while Dr Baker] states that in the RCGP consultation, "responses were achieved from 1,700 members from all 4 nations of the UK" ....she then quotes figures from only the direct responders, some 235 (0.48%) of the total membership, of whom just 181 (out of the total membership of 49,000) wished to maintain opposition.
RCGP response:
It is incorrect to state that the RCGP quotes figures from only the direct responders to the College’s consultation on assisted dying. Our letter makes clear that responses were received both directly from individuals and also from 28 RCGP bodies and groups. Of the 28 bodies that responded, 20 reported a majority view in favour of maintaining the College’s opposition to a change in the law and three reported a majority view in favour of a neutral stance. None reported a majority view in favour of a stance of active support for a change in the law.
Factual assertion #2:
She avoids mention of the other 1,479 (87%) members who took part in the consultation through their faculties, of whom 40-50% voted to move the RCGP to neutrality or support.
RCGP response:
It is also incorrect to state that mention is not made in our letter of the College members who took part in the consultation through their faculties, as in fact the results for the College bodies and groups that participated are given. Furthermore, it is misleading to conflate those respondents who expressed support for the neutral stance with the very small number who were in favour of active support for a change in the law to legalise assisted dying. The fact remains that across both the College bodies and groups and individuals who participated in the consultation, the majority were opposed to moving away from the College’s position of opposing any change to the law.
Factual assertion #3:
Figures cannot be exact because 8 faculties produced no numerical data.
Additionally, because the RCGP devolved responsibility for the consultation to each of its 32 faculties, a variety of methodologies was used, leading to the resultant data being flawed.
RCGP response:
The RCGP choose to conduct a consultation rather than a poll as we felt that a simple yes/no poll would not allow our members to fully consider the complexity of the question posed. In addition, the decision was made to leave the method by which members would be consulted up to our 31 local faculties, as they are best placed to choose the most effective consultation method for their members.
Given this, we chose not to conduct an analysis of the numerical data underpinning the faculty responses but rather to present the responses exactly as they had been given to us, thereby avoiding any misrepresentation of the data. We do not accept therefore that the data given to us, or the way in which it has been presented, is flawed.
Factual assertion #4:
The only contribution from the 3 London faculties (6,000 members) was a debate on Assisted Dying which just 25 members attended (just 0.4% of their membership).
RCGP response:
The RCGP invited faculties to chose their own method of consultation since faculties are uniquely placed to make the best choice on how to consult with their members. The three London faculties chose to come together to discuss the consultation questions in the form of a debate. In addition all RCGP members within London were also given the opportunity to respond to the consultation individually.
Factual assertion #5:
A vote was recorded as though representing all of the membership of these 3 London faculties.
RCGP response:
This is incorrect. Exact details of the number of respondents and the type of consultation held by the three London faculties were recorded and used in the consultation analysis. This information was given to us as the official response from the three London faculties.
Factual assertion #6:
Wessex and Yorkshire faculties (4,400 members) each used email surveys and achieved a mere 6 responses each (0.3% membership),which again was presented as though from the full membership of those faculties.
RCGP response:
Again, this is incorrect. Exact details of the number of respondents and the type of consultation undertaken by both the Wessex and Yorkshire faculties were recorded and used in the consultation analysis. The details were given to us by the Wessex and Yorkshire faculties as part of their official response. All faculty members were given the opportunity to respond to the email surveys.
Factual assertion #7:
Dr. Baker also avoids any mention of the response from the Patient Participation Group, who were also consulted, where a clear majority were in favour that the RCGP should move to neutrality.
RCGP response:
The fact that the Patient Participation Group [PPG] were narrowly in favour of moving to a stance of neutrality does not invalidate the results of the overall consultation. Four members of the PPG felt that the College should be neutral, while 3 felt that any change to law should be opposed. Importantly, no member of the group voted in favour of a change to support the legislation of assisted dying.
Dr Maureen Baker CBE,
Chair,
Royal College of General Practitioners,
30 Euston Square,
London NW1
Competing interests: Chair of Council, Royal College of General Practitioners
I am grateful to Dr. Baker, as Chair of the RCGP, for personally taking part in the debate on Assisted Dying.
In her letter, she states that in the RCGP consultation, "responses were achieved from 1,700 members from all 4 nations of the UK".
But, she then quotes figures from only the direct responders, some 235 (0.48%) of the total membership, of whom just 181 (out of the total membership of 49,000) wished to maintain opposition. She avoids mention of the other 1,479 (87%) members who took part in the consultation through their faculties, of whom 40-50% voted to move the RCGP to neutrality or support. Figures cannot be exact because 8 faculties produced no numerical data.
Additionally, because the RCGP devolved responsibility for the consultation to each of its 32 faculties, a variety of methodologies was used, leading to the resultant data being flawed. For instance, the only contribution from the 3 London faculties (6,000 members) was a debate on Assisted Dying which just 25 members attended (just 0.4% of their membership). A vote was recorded as though representing all of the membership of these 3 London faculties.
Wessex and Yorkshire faculties (4,400 members) each used email surveys and achieved a mere 6 responses each (0.3% membership),which again was presented as though from the full membership of those faculties.
Dr. Baker also avoids any mention of the response from the Patient Participation Group, who were also consulted, where a clear majority were in favour that the RCGP should move to neutrality.
Once more, I urge the RCGP to undertake an open and fair ballot of all its 49,000 members and submit the analysis for external scrutiny. Only in this way will the true voice of the full membership of the College be heard.
Competing interests: Board member of Dignity in Dying and member of HPAD Healthcare Professionals for Assisted dying
Far from the RCGP being out of touch with our membership, our recent consultation on assisted dying was one of the most comprehensive ever undertaken by the College, with 1,700 members responding from all four nations of the UK.
The result was conclusive with 77% of members who submitted response forms directly to the College indicating that they felt the RCGP should maintain its opposition to a change in the law.
Of the 28 RCGP bodies and groups who responded, 20 reported a majority view in favour of maintaining the College’s opposition to a change in the law and three reported a majority view in favour of a ‘neutral’ stance. None reported a majority view in favour of a stance of active support for a change in the law.
Extensive efforts were made to involve our members and we received responses via our local Faculties, Devolved Councils, relevant committees and RCGP bodies, as well as from our individual members.
The overall decision was debated and determined by our governing RCGP Council, whose representatives are elected by the entire College membership, having been informed by the output of the consultation. The decision to hold a consultation rather than a ballot was also agreed by RCGP Council. It is worth noting that no objections to the methodology used were made prior to the output having been announced.
It is misleading for Dr Hartropp to present the output of a consultation as if it were a study. RCGP consultations are a well-established practice that give our members the opportunity to express the divergence and complexity of their views and to explain the reasoning behind them.
Dr Maureen Baker CBE
Chair,
Royal College of General Practitioners
30 Euston Square
London NW1
Competing interests: Chair of Council, RCGP
Re: All RCGP members should be balloted on assisted dying
I thank Dr. Baker for maintaining a dialogue on behalf of the RCGP with regard to their consultation on Assisted Dying.
I also welcome Harvey Ward's elucidation of the discussion within the patient participation group (PPG) - it further highlights how the RCGP's presentation of the consultation was severely lacking in both clarity and content. In the RCGP's analysis document (1) the claim is made that 62% of the PPG support the RCGP taking a position of neutrality, a figure that I felt justified to label a "clear majority".
I have now twice offered Dr Baker an opportunity to respond to my assertion that between 40-50% of all respondents to the consultation want a stance of neutrality or support from the RCGP, and these figures have not been refuted by her. It is not possible to ascertain exact percentages because of the way each faculty conducted its own response- some providing no numerical data and some appearing to not have offered a choice of neutrality. We could argue over these numbers ad nauseam, but what is evident is a wide variation in the respondents' views. We should remember that all the 1,700 respondents are a mere 3% of the full RCGP membership.
Furthermore, in her response dated June 10, Dr Baker claims it is misleading for me " to present the output of the consultation as if it were a study". I find this claim disconcerting given that Dr Baker uses the figure of 77% in an attempt to prove that the consultation was conclusive. The use of this figure, which relates to the individual and direct responses only seems also to intend to present the results of the consultation as a study. Yet the figure takes into account less than 15% of those that took part in the consultation as a whole and just 0.48% of the RCGP membership. Dr Baker states that "the RCGP choose (sic) to conduct a consultation rather than a poll as we felt that a simple yes/ no poll would not allow 0ur members to fully consider the complexity of the question posed". Dr Baker's use of the figure of 77%, and indeed the RCGP's decision to tweet this figure on the day of the results(2) appears in direct conflict with these aims.
During the consultation period last summer, a survey was conducted by Pulse newspaper of 689 GPs which showed that 69% favoured the College adopting a neutral stance, or a support stance on Assisted dying.(3) a more recent poll in May 2014 was conducted by Medeconnect (4), of 878 GPs across England and Wales in which 61% felt their representative bodies, such as the BMA and RCGP, should be neutral on the issue.
Last week the Supreme Court requested that parliament addresses the question of whether the Suicide Act should now be relaxed or modified, and on the 18th July, Lord Falconer presents his Assisted Dying Bill to the House of Lords.
At such a critical time, in the interests of democracy, and as a duty to the members of an organisation committed to evidence-based policy making, Dr Baker as Chair of the RCGP Council, should now show brave leadership and undertake a full ballot of all 49,000 members and have this independently scrutinised.
1. http://www.rcgp.org.uk/policy/rcgp-policy-areas/~/media/Files/Policy/Ass...
2. http://twitter.com/rcgp/status/4368930110423699536
3. Pulse newspaper 2013
4. Doctors.net.uk 14th-20thMay 2014
Competing interests: Board member of Dignity in Dying and Healthcare Professionals for Assisted Dying