Shortage of surgeons might threaten NHS targets
BMJ 2005; 330 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.330.7488.379 (Published 17 February 2005) Cite this as: BMJ 2005;330:379
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There is a shortage of ward beds, high-dependency and intensive care
unit beds, nursing staff, operating department practitioners, scrub nurses
and anaesthetists. Patients are cancelled routinely for any of the above
reasons, but almost never for want of a surgeon. In this situation an
expansion of surgeons' numbers will not increase productivity but only
decrease the level of skill.
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With the recent changes in the working pattern, it appears that there
will not only be a shortage of surgeons by 2010 but a shortage of
appropriately trained surgeons aggravating further the various issues
raised in this article.
It has become difficult to acquire adequate clinical experience in a
surgical speciality while working on a full shift system.
The shortfall in training of the present generation of trainee
surgeons, who enter the training scheme with not as much experience as
before and who will effectively spend less clinical time prior to becoming
a consultant is a source of concern. At present there do not appear to be
adequate simultaneous changes in the training pattern to address this
issue.
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I write in response to Dr Nawaz’s concerns regarding the apparently
conflicting reports as to the requirement of staff within the NHS recently
published in the BMJ.
The first sentence in Zosia Kmietowicz’s article (1) should read ‘an
additional 3,000 “surgical consultant posts” are needed for England and
Wales over the next five years…’. This clarifies the point; namely that
there are not 3000 unfilled vacancies being secretly hidden away from
international applicants, but positions which at present do not exist.
Furthermore, the highlighted shortage is for senior medical personnel,
whilst the vast majority of international medical graduates arriving in
the UK (as stated in Career Focus (2)) are competing for junior training
posts in which competition, even amongst current UK residents, is already
considerable.
The UK not only welcomes, but relies on the contribution of the
international medical community. However, the situation is currently far
from perfect with highly trained doctors often wasting both their skills
and finances. Surely it is more responsible to highlight these problems to
potential applicants than to pretend the corridors of the NHS are paved
with gold.
In the extremely unlikely event that the government were able to find
funding to create enough training and consultant posts to address this
shortage (along with the inextricably linked requirement for
anaesthetists, associated health care professionals, theatre space and
beds; and not forgetting the shortages in every other medical specialty)
then I am sure that far from publishing warnings, the BMJ would be
actively encouraging applications from abroad to fill the large number of
vacancies created.
Yours sincerely,
Nick Hayes
1. Zosia Kmietowicz – ‘Shortage of surgeons might threaten NHS
targets’ BMJ 2005; 330: 379
2. Graham Easton – ‘Warning all junior overseas doctors.’ BMJ Career
Focus 2005; 330: 63-65
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Dear All,
This news item leaves me with many questions,
Why do we need more consultant surgeons? How can we have almost 3000
consultant surgeons in just five years? Who should make the decisions in
training and recruiting consultant surgeons?
In many hospitals lately many operating lists are going waste. –1) No
beds in the hospital to admit routine operation patients – due to beds
being filled due to enforcement of the 4 hour A&E rule. 2) Operation
theatres are being closed regularly to save money? (How?).
It takes at least 10 years to train a surgeon. (SHO- 2, Research- 2
Registrar –6) If this trend of training continues target of having 3000
more surgeons is not feasible till 2015-2020.
Options are
1- Shorten the training to 6 years.
2- Training very experienced overseas surgeons who have worked in United
Kingdom within 2 to 3 years to become consultants.
3- Encouraging EU consultants with UK experience or no UK experience to
immigrate.
Who should make the decisions? Is it the managers who look at only
profit only? The senior consultants who have experience and maturity to
understand the balance between profit and suffering of the patients.
Hope somebody will save the NHS.
Visahan
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Dear All,
It's a welcome initiative in realism if it was actually to be
implemented!
The ground facts are very much in favour of not only the actual need
of individual surgeons and specialist surgeons,esp. the more experienced
and equally qualified from Overseas countries,but also of the resources
for infrastructure for an effective team.
At the other end,the much awaited functioning of PGMETB is being
postponed so as other important day to day decisions in reaching NHS
targets due to lack of proper and adequate resources.So can the
authorities put the blue print open to public in this age of Freedom of
Information in the actual interests of our patients and our ever-dedicated
NHS staff?
Isn't it long time overdue?
Yours truly
Narender Seshadri,MS(Oph.)
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Is it only surgeons we are short of? If one looks carefully I think
that one will find that there is a shortage of anaesthetists, of theatre
staff, of ward nurses and physiotherapists and finally, of beds. I dont
think I have heard of a hospital where the only element missing was a team
of surgeons.
Perhaps the need is for more realism all round, especially for those on
high who have strange beliefs about what the NHS can deliver.
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Dear Sirs,
After reading this piece on the shortage of surgeons in the NHS, I
can't help but wonder why then are many overseas doctors waiting for
months until they have a job.
This article is completely contradicting the warnings given to junior
overseas doctors published twice already in this week's issue and in last
week's issue of the BMJ's Career Focus.
Is it a case of facts and numbers not being known or consistent to
everyone or maybe the NHS, GMC, BMA and the Royal Colleges don't welcome
or value the contribution of overseas doctors to British health care.
http://careerfocus.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/330/7488/75-a
http://careerfocus.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/330/7487/63-a
Thank you
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Why treat overseas doctors so badly?
This question arises again and again.I left the United Kingdom in
1997, when the BMJ December 1996 had published an article where in a
comparative study had been done on the life expectancy of doctors in UK.IT
was found that British born doctors live to 80 years and ASian born
doctors lived to 60 years in the UK.Illtreatment of doctors in the UK,
especially overseas graduates actually reduced life expectancy!!!!It is
because overseas doctors are treated so badly, by the GMC, the BMA, and
the NHS, that UK is now abegging for doctors internationally.Teams from
the Royal Colleges come recruiting in New Delhi..Ha..ha......I have no
sympathies for doyens of the BMA , the GMC, the Royal Colleges or the
NHS.It is time these organisations showed some human flavour, from the
inhuman approaches towards overseas doctors in the UK.They illtreat their
own doctors so badly, what will they do for overseas doctors.
UK appears to be historically renowned upto the present times for the
breach of human rights of all doctors in the UK, especially overseas
doctors...they have overwhelmingly even breeched a doctros right to
life!!!
regards
Mona
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