Is electrodermal testing as effective as skin prick tests for diagnosing allergies? A double blind, randomised block design study
BMJ 2001; 322 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.322.7279.131 (Published 20 January 2001) Cite this as: BMJ 2001;322:131
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With regard to your article about Vega equipment, you conclude with
the line:
"It is difficult to connect this known pathophysiological mechanism
with any theory that embraces a change in whole body electrical
conductivity."
Perhaps your investigation failed because you examined it as a whole
body electrical phenomenom. It would be better if you looked at it from an
acupuncture viewpoint.
The Vega system of diagnosis only operates if the probe is placed on
an acupuncture point, i.e. an area of skin with a reduced electrical
resistance. Other skin surrounding the acupuncture point does not behave
in the same way.
Applied Kinesiology also uses acupuncture points in treatment, and
these points behave in a different way from non-acupuncture points, when
measured relative to the strength of a muscle.
The identification of these discrete points is vital to understanding
the nature of Vega testing.
Competing interests:
I use a Veegatest apparatus in my daily practice.
I am a qualified and registered Naturopath.
Competing interests: No competing interests
On reading your article I could not help myself wondering why if you
really want to test the accuracy of the bioresonance methods you only used
a tester that needs pressing on the point? There are other testers, like
PROMIS for example that do not press on the point ,so a factor of false
readings is eliminated. On the other hand the presentation of the results
is a little vague. I would like to know, with just one reading, performed
always by the same operator how the results would correlate.Besides, how
intense was the reaction? Was there a differentiating factor on the
intensity of the response? Why not accept that some of the non allergic
by the skin test might have a hidden allergic reaction detected only by
subtle means such as the bioresonance? I would also like to have a more
extensive protocol that would include the application of inverse wave to
those proven as allergic and the evolution of the symptoms. To summarize.
I think this paper only proves that a more detailed protocol should be
establised and more research conducted before assuming everything is
concluded. Thank you.
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I thank Dr Smith very much for his comments which I found fascinating.
What we were doing here was following up an observation which I made with
Krop
(done
at Krop's surgery) that suggested that Vegatesting could distinguish
between
proven allergic and non-allergic patients (1). We found that when we
repeated this in a much more rigorous manner with many more patients
(and
an
entirely double-blinded experiment), we were unable to reduplicate
the
results which we had originally observed. I entirely agree that the
situation is immensely complicated, that is why we chose such a
specific
test.
I note also John Heptonstall's comments on the Vegatest and again
cannot
disagree with them, but it simply wasn't what we were testing in the
context
of this particular experiment. The Vegatest may be measuring
something
in
relation to food intolerance and/or in relation to the selection of
appropriate homoeopathic remedies. We make it plain in the article
that
this has not been measured.
George Lewith
1. Krop J, Lewith G, Gziut W, Radulescu C. A double blind,
randomised,
controlled investigation of electrodermal testing in the diagnosis of
allergies.Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. 1997; 3(3):
241-248.
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Critique on Electrodermal Testing for Atopy
EDITOR - This letter concerns the paper by Lewith et al. reporting
trials which found that electrodermal testing with a Vegatest could not
distinguish between atopic and non-atopic participants as previously
determined by skin prick tests and therefore could not be used to diagnose
environmental allergies1. Since the operators were remarkably consistent
one must look to the instrument itself or the protocol for this complete
lack of correlation. The following remarks are based on the writer's
research2.
What is measured by the Vegatest is the small change of electrical
impedance in the skin on an acupuncture point in response to substances
placed in its electrical circuit. This circuit is a conventional
resistance meter but its wires allow coherent frequencies to propagate
from the substance(s) in the honeycomb to the person under test, rather
as heat travels along a saucepan handle. Chemicals which can hydrogen-bond
have characteristic frequency signatures. The acupuncture meridians also
have characteristic endogenous frequencies which can synchronise to
exogenous coherent frequencies and entrain further.
At the beginning of each testing session, the participant was checked
for "allergy" with mercury (or paraquat) in the honeycomb using the
terminal acupuncture point on the lateral aspect of the third toe. The
chemical signature of mercury is 3.1 MHz. Since the endogenous frequencies
of this point are 3.5 mHz and 172 kHz no interaction would be expected.
Using an electroacupuncture apparatus (not the Vegatest) the writer
confirmed this on himself. However, those points with endogenous
frequencies (in brackets) near mercury did react (Voll notation): Ly1
(2.95 MHz), LI1 (2.7MHz), Ci9 (2.46 MHz), Or1 (3.85 MHz), Pn1 (2.7 MHz).
Even though the writer reacts to cat dander ('flu symptoms), his
mercury test did not suggest this. The frequencies of cat dander with the
meridians entrained and their endogenous frequencies are:
0.03 Hz [SI1 (0.025Hz)], 0.61 Hz [St45 (0.44Hz), FatD1 (0.74Hz), Lu1
(0.48Hz)], 25 Hz [Manipura Chakra (23Hz)], 3.8kHz [TW1 (6.0kHz)], 2.35
MHz [St45 (2.2MHz), Pn1 (2.7MHz), GB44 (2.46MHz), Ci9 (2.46MHz),
LI1 (2.7MHz)].
The distilled water used as a placebo appears to have been as toxic
as the cat dander. This could arise if:
· Water was exposed to electromagnetic fields during storage.
· Water ampoules acquired signatures of the allergens (slowly by
proximity, instantaneously if banged).
· Research assistant handling each ampoule overwrote self-body frequencies
by holding below the water-line.
Placing the control samples briefly in a closed steel box to remove
the geomagnetic field immediately before use erases everything except
chemical signatures. Subsequently, handle with wooden or plastic tongs.
The above is intended to show how complicated are the interactions of
acupuncture meridians and allergens. That an electroacupuncture apparatus
can respond shows its versatility but, it emphasises the difficulties in
getting a simple "allergic" or "non-allergic" decision using the protocol
adopted.
Competing Interest: Honoraria and expenses for electroacupuncture
lectures (not involving the Vegatest) between about 1980-1990.
Cyril Smith
honorary senior lecturer - retired
School of Acoustic & Electronics, University of Salford, Salford
M5 4WT, UK.
1 Lewith GT, Kenyon JN, Broomfield J, Prescott P, Goddard J,
Holgate ST. Is electrodermal testing as effective as skin prick tests for
diagnosing allergies? A double blind, randomised block design study. BMJ
2001; 322:131-4 (20 January.)
2 Smith CW. The Diagnosis and Therapy of EM Hypersensitivity; EM Fields in
Health, in Therapies and Disease. 18th. Annual Symposium on Man and His
Environment, Dallas, Texas. June 8-11, 2000
Competing interests: No competing interests
Editor
Some years ago I supervised groups of my students carrying out a
couple of short studies into electrodermal testing with the Vegatest
apparatus.
I note that Krop, Lewith, Gziut and Radulescu (JACM Vol 3 No. 3,
1997. pp241-248, A Double Blind, Randomised, Controlled Investigation of
Electrodermal Testing in the Diagnosis of Allergies) concluded that
electrodermal testing "is a promising technique and should be the subject
of further scientific study".
I did not consider a 'food allergy' focus as electrodermal testing
has no direct, as Lewith et al have shown, relevance to 'allergy';
perceived wisdom was that Vegatesting is more to do with the, as yet
unclear, field of sensitivity or intolerance. However, it is very clear to
regular users of this apparatus that it is a valuable tool for identifying
sensitivities. I set my students the task of acertaining
1. Reproducibility of results (a common criticism of food allergy and
sensitivity testing systems)
2. Whether certain disorders could be linked, by Vegatest, to certain
food or environmental sensitivities. Regular use suggested this to be the
case; eg. anecdotally, asthma sufferers appeared to display a
preponderance of sensitivities within the cereal and fish groups, phenols,
and dust mite.
1. The first study concluded that certain sensitivities were more
reproducible than others, for example those involving chemical or
environmental substances as opposed to foods. To a Western Medical (WM)
scientist this appears to negate findings, why should the body's reaction
to food change within hours or days? Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM)
scientists are more likely to ask 'why should the body's reactions to
foods not change by the hour or day? If our tastes change from meal to
meal, then why not the body's reaction to food'?
The hypothesis is that there may be different levels of
'sensitivity'; the strong reproducible ones such as environmental toxins,
the moderate ones which return when we see a patient going through a
relapse, the milder ones that are transient - rather like one's taste -
and the consistent ones that seem to relate to specific illnesses. We then
looked at the latter.
2. The team studied four illnesses, RA, asthma, rhinitis and migraine
retrospectively; they analysed results from Vegatests which had been
carried out by a single operator within the last 10 years.
They searched for the number of 'hits' for each food and
environmental sensitivity per disorder, and the percentage of patients
showing these hits; here are a few of the findings:-
For Rheumatoid Arthritis, 33.33% of cohort had hits for Beans,
Parsley, Pear, Pollens and Turkey, 25% had apple, carp, herring, juniper,
lobster, margarine, sour milk, peas, pineapple, rosemary, black tea,
orange, MSG and mercury. This illness produced the least conclusive spread
of hits.
For Migraine 39% showed high hit rate for EMF (electromagnetic field
stress - VDU, computer, fluorescent lighting etc. ), 35% for mite, 26% for
beer.
For Asthma the house dust mite scored highest hit rate for 53% of the
cohort, then trout, herring and dog for 35%.
For Rhinitis the highest hit rate was for EMF and Dog both with 53%
of cohort, then mite and halibut for 42 %, then candida for 37%, then
strawberries for 32%.
Although small inconclusive studies they did enlighten us and
provided more support for what had become common expectations from the
equipment witness the large proportion of patients who state they have
benefitted from Vegatesting.
I won't go into the TCM analysis of results here but my students did
produce an interesting TCM perspective on why certain sensitivities may
have appeared regularly for certain disorders; these deliberations make
sense to TCM but not yet to Western Medicine which has little
understanding of food and environmental considerations in illness - TCM
has for generations recognised diet, foods and environment as both
potentially health giving and potential pathogenic. EMF radiation was
easily recognised as a 'WIND' pathogen in TCM, fluctuating magnetic field
creates a microclimate of what TCM refers to as 'wind pathogen' and this
affects the liver predominantly hence eg. migraine could be expected to
derive from an environment having a strong fluctuating magnetic field.
We see 'sensitivities' that run in families, eg. potatoes and
tomatoes, possibly most of the more reproducible substances are common in
a family line; there must be some genetic continuation.
The recent information on blood type and diet (Dr. Peter D'Adamo, The
Eat Right Diet) is interesting; a 'cursory glance' suggested some measure
of correlation between Vegatest results and 'blood type considerations', a
focus for more research? The Vegatest employs acupoint impedance
measurements, TCM reminds us of the direct corelation between Blood and
Qi, is the Vegatest measuring some aspect of blood which correlates
directly with the electrical component of QI measured?
The old saying 'one man's meat is another man's poison' was also
reflected in these studies. People are seen to have their own particular
sensitivities, as well as those coincident with disorder type, and these
fluctuate according to current levels of stress, state of health etc.
Those involved in allergy, intolerance and sensitivity studies must
therefore adopt an open and objective disposition, not expecting each
person to carry the same or similar burden of sensitivities but
individual, and to some extent common reproducible ones; and that some of
these may fluctuate with taste while a smaller number will remain
reasonably reproducible.
Regards
John H.
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I find this fascinating. Why do you think the other office was 100%
incorrect?
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In 1990 I conducted a small study I with two
practitioners who use the Vega machine, an electrodiagnostic device, to
assess the reliability of the technique in
determining food allergies. The doctors were given three paired bottles
each. Each pair
contained either a preservative free specific food extract or saline
solution. Except for
blind labelling the bottles were identical. Each patient found reactive to
a specific food
on the Vega test was tested against the pair of bottles to determine if
the machine
could determine which was the saline bottle and which was the extract.
The two doctors used their usual experienced Vega technicians and did
this as part
of their daily testing routine. The results from one office testing 12
patients gave false
positive result of 54% and false negative rate of 36%, true positive 64%
and true
negative 46%. These values indicate the results were about as accurate as
flipping a
coin. The other office was 100% incorrect on the tests with 21 patients.
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Re: Electrodermal Resistance Theory
I'm not sure this criticism of Mr Kenneth Gilbert Green is entirely
clear.
Does he feel the flaw is in:
a) the placement of the electrodes (although they state that this was
informed by acupuncture principles)
or
b) the beliefs of the practitioners?
If the latter, please do write about the mechanism by which you, and
many others, believe a change in the beliefs of the authors might change
the values of the measurements they took in this blinded study.
Competing interests:
maintaining the hegemony
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