Rapid Responses to:

SOUNDINGS:
Liam Farrell
I'm a believer
BMJ 2002; 324: 1285a [Full text]
*Rapid Responses: Submit a response to this article

Rapid Responses published:

[Read Rapid Response] Love is blind
Jane Jones   (24 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Dogma, doctors and doubts
D Hart   (24 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Presumptive Error Abounds
Daniel H Duffy   (24 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] fluoride: proven poison
walter graham   (25 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Re: Presumptive Error Abounds
Liam Farrell   (25 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] The power of Mythology
Hilary Anne Butler, New Zealand   (25 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Re: The power of Mythology
Lisa C Blakemore-Brown   (26 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Re: Re: The power of Mythology
Allan M Cyna   (27 May 2002)
[Read Rapid Response] Keep your faith and cynicism
John Sharvill   (29 May 2002)

Love is blind 24 May 2002
 Next Rapid Response Top
Jane Jones,
Campaign Director
National Pure Water Association, WF4 3ET

Send response to journal:
Re: Love is blind

Here is a courageous general practitioner airing his dilemma, which is probably shared by many in his profession. Bravo, Dr Farrell!

It brings to mind press reports in the 1970s when a Northern Ireland dentist rejoiced at the improvement in local children's teeth six months after the proposed start date of artificial water fluoridation of Holywood.

It was subsequently revealed that, due to problems with the plant, the start date had been delayed for a year.

Jane Jones, Campaign Director, NPWA. www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/dental_fluorosis.html

Dogma, doctors and doubts 24 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
D Hart,
Homeopathic consultant and writer
HR2 7AH

Send response to journal:
Re: Dogma, doctors and doubts

Has it occurred to Dr Liam Farrell that the many children "saved from serious illness by vaccination" may have been saved, not by vaccination, but by good hygiene, good nutrition and a good environment to develop in? Has it occurred to those who advocate water fluoridation that healthy teeth may be the result of the aforementioned advantages, and that it is those, rather than mass medication or herd immunity, that should be the goal of a public health service.

I for one don't believe there is any gene that makes anyone need to believe in dogma or deities that fly in the face of observation and commonsense. DrFarrell is to be commended for his healthy scepticism in the face of medical school dogma and pharmacutical company spin.

Presumptive Error Abounds 24 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
Daniel H Duffy,
Clinic Director
Geneva, Ohio 44041

Send response to journal:
Re: Presumptive Error Abounds

Awakening to the fact that medicine is a religion demanding unquestioning obedience to the "consensus" should come as no surprise to anyone with [usually] five years experience in the field pushing patent medicines. After five years of that - you are either a born again believer who blindly believes in and follows orthodoxy or you are totally brain dead and unobservant or you have changed fields and tried Radiology, Psychiatry or other less damaging specialties.

It usually takes about five years for anyone with half an ounce of common sense to come to the realization that the practice of orthodox medicine is exactly what the "statistics" claim it to be, bad for one's health and worse, very often deadly. You can add to your misconceptions the idea that you EVER saved any child's life with a vaccine or really helped anyone by giving them aspirin [e.g., vitamin E is a natural blood thinner sans side effects - see the history of the Shute brothers of Canada back in the fifties who ALWAYS had better results with simple vitamin E than their colleagues had using patent medicines in accord with the "consensus" of the day] [and for the children you THINK you saved, no vaccine ever prevented, ameliorated or cured any epidemic disease, go back and review the CRITICAL literature.

The epidemics were all products of Malthusian predictions - the outgrowing of food supplies during periods of population explosions - i.e., the fleas and mice are still with us, where is the bubonic plague? etc etc]. Your mental awakening and overhaul has just begun - a very dangerous proposition for some - methinks such awakenings are at the root of many seemingly inexplicable suicides.

fluoride: proven poison 25 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
walter graham

Send response to journal:
Re: fluoride: proven poison

I was invited to do a presentation of the harmful side-effects of fluoride to Tessa Jowel, the then Health Minister in 1998, Oct. 26. I invited Dr. Susheela from India to come and do the 40 min. presentation as

She has 25years of research on fluorine chemistry and over 100 published papers on the harm to humans of fluoride in all forms. Dr. Susheela stated that there is no safe level of fluoride, that it is a cummulative enzyme poison. She went on to prove that fluoride caused skeletal damage, dental damage and IBS. Yet Doctors prescribe fluoride drugs without scientific proof of safety or effectiveness and thier medical associations endorse water fluoridation. Doctors normally prescribe drugs by body wieght yet they back putting a cummulative enzyme poison in the water system to be given by thirst! Doctors need to wake up and start questioning the large chemical industries domination of the profession of medicine and its funding of research and perks to doctors to push drugs. There is no safe level of cummulative enzyme poisons! NONE. Walter Graham

Re: Presumptive Error Abounds 25 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
Liam Farrell,
GP
Crossmaglen, Northern Ireland

Send response to journal:
Re: Re: Presumptive Error Abounds

Dear editor,

I've never actually seen Geneva Ohio. Does it really exist?

Liam Farrell

The power of Mythology 25 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
Hilary Anne Butler,
freelance journalist
25 Harrisville Road, Tuakau, 1892,
New Zealand

Send response to journal:
Re: The power of Mythology

Dr Farrell sounds like the gradual "blinding" revelation of the obvious has yet to grow substantial roots. At least, ......roots big enough for him to follow his experience, rather than the "epistles of the pharmaceuticals".

No such problems for my father, who is 90, has been in a retirement village for 20 years, and who had the flu in 1919.

Every year, for the last 20 years, he has been offered the free flu vaccine. And every year, he turns it down. And every year he does not get the flu.

This year, the staff berated him with the "fact" that the only reason he was flu free was the most others had the vaccine, and protected him.

We are both sitting there, and his reply is "And how is it then, that I remain disgustingly healthy, whereas those you vaccinate, still get the flu, and we have mysterious strange clusters of deaths from strokes and other 'age-related' conditions in the week after your generous offer?"

"And how is it, that I go to the social centre, painting groups, and have a rampant social life, and while all else around fall ill, ....I do not?"

"And how is it that I am the oldest in this community and have never had the vaccine?"

And the nurse gazed at him and said "Well, that's not what the research proves...."

And my reply was "Well deary, feel free to have his as well, so you can be doubly blessed then."

She didn't bat an eyelid.

Now how's that for the ultimate in conditioning?

Hilary Butler.

Re: The power of Mythology 26 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
Lisa C Blakemore-Brown,
Independent Psychologist
UK

Send response to journal:
Re: Re: The power of Mythology

Many years ago when my now grown up daughter was a baby, the prevailing mythology was that they should be put down to sleep on their faces. Now this seemed counter intuitive to me. In fact, it seemed downright dangerous. It was all too easy to imagine my healthy strapping infant daughter suffocating face down in a deep sleep after her usual gargantuan milk fest. The very thought of it shocked me. So I made sure I NEVER put her down to sleep on her face.

This led to a few comments similar to those experienced by Hilary's dad. The odd (very odd) family member also put their ha'pence worth in. I ignored them.

Now I discover that many infants actually DID suffocate after this foolish advice became the myth of the day. So, when it was then advised that children should be put to sleep on their backs - everyone saluted the new thinking as if it was a revelation.

Since then there have been many more mythologies - and believers who follow `the book` rather than their instinct.

Nowadays, things have become decidely worse. To deter dissenters, one can actually be punished for not believing what we are told to believe, this medieval/Big Brother attitude clear in the comments and behaviours of the nurse in Hilary's story.

When is Common Sense returning?

Re: Re: The power of Mythology 27 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response Next Rapid Response Top
Allan M Cyna,
Consultant anaesthetist
Adelaide Women's and Children's Hospital

Send response to journal:
Re: Re: Re: The power of Mythology

It is easy in retrospect to say how foolish people were to advocate babies sleeping prone. The supine position seemed logical - certainly to me - where serious morbidity and mortality from aspiration of stomach contents can occur in patients left in the supine position with less than perfect glottic reflexes. Prone patients may regurgitate but one might have expected therm to be less likely to aspirate stomach contents into the lungs. I am unsure whether the reason for the decrease in mortality from SIDs has been fully elucidated - perhaps the myth in this case is the belief that people advocating the prone position were ridiculously illogical.

Keep your faith and cynicism 29 May 2002
Previous Rapid Response  Top
John Sharvill,
GP
Deal CT14 7 AU

Send response to journal:
Re: Keep your faith and cynicism

Whether bendrofluazide works or not is now buried in the depths of medical trials. To know the truth you will have to come up with a good acronym and a source of funding and that will only be forthcoming if someones share price will rise. My own feelings after a similar length of career is that Bendrofluazide does little to measurable figures in terms of blood pressure but probably prevents more strokes than he trials showing impressive reductions in blood pressure. I also think that vaccination and fluoride and clean water are good for you.