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Cautious approach is needed
EDITOR These results, however, need to be interpreted with caution.
There was no significant difference between the two groups with regard
to the most clinically important outcome (mortality), and the median
values varied little between prayer and non-prayer on both length of
stay (seven and eight days) and duration of fever (two days each). The
religious affiliation of the person saying the prayer is not given.
Many religious groups do not accept the power of prayer given by those
with different beliefs. If real, the effect of prayer shown in this
study may be unrelated to supernatural power and hence to a particular
belief system, or may be specific to beliefs, reflecting the power
inherent in a particular religion. Further work is needed in this area
before conclusions can be made.
Leibovici used rigorous scientific method in his study to
explore the role of intercessory prayer in health care.1 Using a randomised controlled trial design with a large group of
patients and selecting a range of appropriate outcome measures, he
showed a significant difference in length of stay and duration of fever
and concluded that prayer may be a useful treatment.
Adelaide University Rural Clinical School, University Campus,
Whyalla, South Australia 5608, Australia
andrew.thornett{at}unisa.edu.au
| 1. |
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451 |
Paper proves power of statistics, not prayer
EDITOR The data on the most significant finding, length of stay, seem to be
skewed by a few abnormally high results in the control group. This is
shown by the fact that the median length of stay is the same in both
groups but the maximum length of stay in the control group is twice
that in the intervention group. This may represent a type I statistical
error, despite the large sample size. From a cynical standpoint, it is
a shame that God cannot save your life but might get you out of
hospital a few days earlier. Either way, it was a thought provoking
paper but may just prove the power of statistics, not of prayer.
"You cannae break the laws of physics, Captain"
EDITOR In the case of Leibovici's study, if we accept that people can be made
better by future prayer or other intervention then they must have been
made better at the first time of that intervention, when they were
ill.1
In which case it would then be impossible for them to be subsequently
allocated to the placebo arm of the study.
That means this paper is not a randomised controlled trial. But then
you knew that already.
Hope should never be squashed by being told that things cannot
happen
EDITOR Currently the standard model is the best tested and verified theory in
the history of mankind, flawless in every prediction it makes. Huge
experiments have shown its every intricacy to stand firm. Billions of
dollars are being spent by physicists and mathematicians working round
the clock because they know it will "break." The world physics
community looks forward with excitement and expectation to the day when
their best ever theory is toppled. When that happens, there will be partying.
The fun and vibrancy of physics comes from knowing that now we see but
a poor reflection as in a mirror. There is more to know, the
raison d'être of a physicist is to break the laws of physics.
"It's not physically possible" should certainly never be grounds
for throwing out a result.
All randomised controlled trials require informed consent
EDITOR It is not known whether the subjects in this study had previously been
prayed for, and whether this important confounding variable was also
distributed in favour of the intervention group. Consequently it seems
more likely that the effect of prayer was to produce a positive outcome
for the study rather than a favourable outcome for the subjects of the
intervention. The retrospective outcome measures were also unreliable:
duration of fever may be subject to random interference from cooling
measures and recording error, and length of stay can be influenced by
many factors other than a single episode of sepsis. The discussion did
not acknowledge these important sources of bias.
My main objection to the study is, however, that it cannot be justified
on ethical grounds. Leibovici says that we cannot assume a priori that
time is linear or that God is limited by a linear time. Therefore it
was argued that the intervention could be delivered in retrospect. But
no matter how distant the separation of the illness and intervention,
Leibovici was acting with the hope of influencing the outcome without
the informed consent of subjects (who had not even given permission for
their records to be examined for this purpose).
No matter what the mode of intervention and how good the
intention of investigators, it is morally unacceptable to intervene experimentally in the routine care of a patient without his or her
permission. Ethical issues should also not be limited by linear time.
Although it remains possible that such interventions produce benefits,
all investigators should be bound by the same rules of study design and
ethical integrity that apply to the global scientific community.
Competing interests on religious conviction or spirituality may
be important
EDITOR Leibovici and the authors of three of the electronic letters said that
they had no competing interests; the remaining contributors to bmj.com
made no explicit statement about their competing interests. The
BMJ encourages all contributors to disclose any competing interests, particularly those that are of a financial nature. However,
the BMJ also gives authors the opportunity to declare a deep
personal or religious conviction that may have affected what they wrote
and that readers should be aware of when reading their
paper.2
Can we safely assume that none of those who contributed to the debate
about retroactive prayer held an a priori belief about religion or
spirituality? Surely most, if not all, of us have beliefs and
prejudices about the validity of spirituality and religion. Once a
belief about a subject, such as religion, is formed, pride, ego, or
fear can often get in the way of revising your view even when new
information becomes available. Moreover, it is not realistic to expect
those who contribute to a debate to be able to relinquish their beliefs
in order to move from a subjective to an objective view.
Perhaps we should follow the advice of Peter Senge, an expert on
systems thinking, who advocates a commitment to the
truth.3 This approach means seeking out and acknowledging
(at least to ourselves) beliefs that may influence our ability to
challenge our thinking. This self awareness, argues Senge, reduces the
hold that such beliefs may have on our ability to see more of the
playing field. The lack of acknowledgements about competing interests suggests that many of us who contributed to the debate about
retroactive prayer did not follow Senge's approach. If we had, would
our responses have been different?
Competing interests: I believe that there is a God.
Correspondents showed misapprehension of principle
EDITOR A study carried out by researchers at Duke University's School of
Medicine deals with retroactive therapeutic intent.2 I
think this is a better term than prayer, because the literature on this
subject suggests that any form of religious belief, or none at all,
seems capable of achieving the effect. Using a well designed
randomised, controlled, double blind protocol, the study involves
prayers from religious groups around the world for people experiencing
severe chest pains who are in danger of imminent heart attacks. The
treatments they received to relieve their crisis were cardiac
catheterisation and angioplasty. The emergency nature of these
treatments means that the procedures are carried out immediately on
admission. That turns out to be the crucial aspect of the retroactive
aspect of this research into therapeutic intent, because, although the
prayer groups were notified as soon as possible after the patient was
admitted, the initiation of the actual sessions often began after the
medical treatment had already been completed. Both treated and control
groups received the same level of medical intervention. The
practitioners of therapeutic intent had no contact with the patients or
the health professionals administering the treatments, and the patients
themselves did not know about the involvement of therapeutic intent.
The outcome measure was the number of complications that each patient
experienced, with the comparison being made between the subgroups.
The recipients of therapeutic intent experienced a 50-100% reduction
in side effects compared with the controls. Although the study
population was too small to reach any definitive conclusions, the
results have proved so provocative that researchers at more than six
medical centres in the United States have taken up this line of inquiry.
The practitioners in the study were scattered all over the world, and
their therapeutic intent was expressed through a wide range of
religious traditions. No difference was noted concerning one tradition
being more powerful or efficacious than any other.
Sceptics may find this line of inquiry philosophically offensive but
the gathering corpus of research suggests that therapeutic intent,
whether retroactive or in real time, has the power to affect clinical outcome.
Outcome of this experiment offers little comfort
EDITOR But suppose it does show God's intervention. The time bending aspect
of this report is not of concern, as once the supernatural is invoked,
the sky's the limit (literally). If God can intervene to promote
faster recovery on request, then He can reach back in time to do so.
But consider the implication of accepting what Gardner calls the
superstition of the finger, that God finds it necessary at intervals to
abrogate natural laws by injecting a finger into the universe to tinker
with it.3 Charles Darwin argued against this belief,
concluding that there seems be too much misery in the world to believe
that God takes such a personal and protective interest in how we live
our lives.4
But the argument against the God of the finger becomes even stronger if
we accept Leibovici's experiment. We only need to recall recent
horrific events
No competing interests.
Author's reply
EDITOR There are three ways to deal with this question:
(1) To answer in the affirmative. But this leads to such paradoxes
(some described by those who responded to this article1) that it is incompatible with scientific work or even daily life.
(2) To look for methodological or statistical faults. Here an
obvious one was that the duration of fever and the duration of hospital
stay are related. But what if the next study sports perfect methodology
and statistics?
(3) To deny from the beginning that empirical methods can be applied to
questions that are completely outside the scientific model of the
physical world. Or in a more formal way, if the pre-trial probability
is infinitesimally low, the results of the trial will not really change
it, and the trial should not be performed. This, to my mind, turns the
article into a non-study, although the details provided in the
publication (randomisation done only once, statement of a wish,
analysis, etc) are correct.
The article has nothing to do with religion. I believe that prayer is a
real comfort and help to a believer. I do not believe it should be
tested in controlled trials.
It was very brave of both Leibovici and the
BMJ to publish this paper and be prepared for the criticism
from the outraged masses.1 The idea that retroactive
intercessory prayers could have an influence on the outcome of
septicaemia is intriguing and challenges our notions of cause and
effect. If it is true, however, this is not the paper to prove it.
Research Center, Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard
Medical School, Boston, MA 02114, USA
shehan.hettiaratchy{at}tbrc.mgh.harvard.edu
Carolyn Hemsley
University of Oxford, Oxford OX1 2JD
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
As any student of Star Trek will tell you, the first
rule of time travel is that you cannot change the course of history, otherwise you get into an infinite regress.
Parkplace Health Centre, Darlington DL1 5LW
jshopkins{at}doctors.org.uk
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
The response of Hopkins to the article in which Leibovici
examines retroactive prayer (printed as letter above) prompts me to ask
what physicists do all day, if the famous quote is
true.
1 2
Everyone from Aristotle through Newton to
Einstein and Feynman made their living breaking the laws of physics.
Newton, for example, did especially well with calculus by breaking the
laws of mathematics too.
Erlangen University, Lehrstuhl für Optik, Friederich
Alexander Universitat, D-91058 Erlangen, Germany
michael.brownnutt{at}ic.ac.uk
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
2.
Hopkins J. You cannae break the laws of physics captain.
Electronic response to: Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory
prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection. bmj.com 2001 (www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/323/7327/1450#18203; accessed 25 February
2002).
It is difficult scientifically to examine interventions that are
not easily quantified. Like previous authors studying the effects of
prayer, however, Leibovici has presented an incomplete description of
methodology and inadequate examination of confounding variables.1
Sunderland Royal Hospital, Sunderland SR4 7TP
c.i.m.price{at}ncl.ac.uk
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
Leibovici's finding that retroactive intercessory prayer
improves outcomes in patients with bloodstream infections (albeit to a
modest degree) is provocative.1 Two weeks after the
publication of this paper 25 electronic letters had been posted on
bmj.com, most of which were critical of the study or the author (www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/323/7327/1450; accessed 4 January 2002).
Chameleon Medical Communications, Park House, London W5
5TL max{at}chameleon-uk.com
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
2.
Declaration of competing interests. Available at
bmj.com/cgi/content/full/317/7154/291/DC1#aut; accessed 4 January 2002.
3.
Senge P.
The fifth discipline: the art and practice of the learning organization.
New York: Random House, 1990.
The study by Leibovici is not about reaching back from the
future into the past to change it but, instead, affecting the way in
which it occurred in the first instance, when these clinical events
were present tense.1 Neither is this study a singular
piece of benighted research, as others seem to suggest. Readers will
find several papers addressing various aspects of this subject at
www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/. The work of physicist Helmut Schmidt is of
particular interest.
Cognitive Sciences Laboratory 90212, 147 Pinewood Road,
Virginia Beach, VA 23451, USA saschwartz{at}earthlink.net
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
2.
Krucoff MW, Crater SW, Green CL, Maas AC, Seskevich JE, Lane JD, et al.
Integrative noetic therapies as adjuncts to percutaneous intervention during unstable coronary syndromes: monitoring and actualization of noetic training (MANTRA) feasibility pilot.
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760-767[CrossRef][ISI][Medline].
Applying the Talmudic method (which seems appropriate here),
either this study of Leibovici shows God's intervention or it does
not.1 If it does not, then the experiment must be faulty.
As Dace points out, the great principle of William of Ockham leads us
to prefer this explanation in science.2
in Afghanistan, in the Balkans, in Israel, and in New
York
to realise that God is unwilling to lift His finger to prevent
great suffering and death among innocent people and is unmoved by the
many impassioned prayers that He do so. Then why does He choose to
respond when called upon by perfunctory, impersonal prayer on behalf of
long-ago events involving far lesser suffering? The implication of
Leibovici's conclusion is that God may intervene, but He does so in a
profoundly cruel, capricious, and trivial manner. Those who believe in
a just and loving God should obtain little comfort from the outcome of
this experiment. They should pray that it is not true.
Bishop's University, Lennoxville, Quebec, Canada J1M 1Z7
sblack{at}ubishops.ca
1.
Leibovici L.
Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infections: randomized controlled trial.
BMJ
2001;
323:
1450-1451. (22 December.)
2.
Dace JM. Occam's razor. Electronic response to Effects of
remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with
bloodstream infections. bmj.com 2001 (www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/323/7327/1450#18236; accessed 25 February
2002).
3.
Gardner M.
Phillip Johnson on intelligent design.
In:
Did Adam and Eve have navels?
New York: W W Norton, 2000:22-23.
4.
Milner R. The first evolutionary psychologist. Scientific
American 2002 Jan. Available at
www.sciam.com/2002/0102issue/0102reviews1.html
The purpose of the article was to ask the following question:
Would you believe in a study that looks methodologically correct but
tests something that is completely out of people's frame (or model) of
the physical world
for example, retroactive intervention or badly
distilled water for asthma?
Department of Medicine, Beilinson Campus, Rabin Medical
Center, Petah-Tiqva 49100, Israel
1.
Electronic responses. Effects of remote, retroactive
intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection.
bmj.com 2001 (www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/323/7327/1450#responses;
accessed 4 April 2002).
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