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We are interested in Alan Currie and Ann Ryman's speculations on the different response rates in the study groups (data that Goldberg seems not to have noticed). We would also value comments about the difference in response rate between the sexes.
We estimated that a minimum sample size of 31 per group was necessary to detect a difference of 7 in the median score on the Beck depression inventory with 85% power and a 5% probability of detecting a false effect on a background standard deviation of 9. We chose 7 as the minimum change in the score that could be clinically important; this was influenced by previous studies.3 We therefore do not accept Paulo Menezes and colleagues' criticism of our sample size. We accept that the decision to include only full responders could introduce selection bias. Inclusion of partial responders, however, introduces another source of variation that could blur the main comparison of the study. In practice it does not: reanalysis of our data to include partial responders, as Menezes and colleagues suggest, shows a minimal effect on the statistical results, with no changes in the inferences originally drawn. Menezes and colleagues' preference for follow up at six weeks does not take account of the delay between disclosure to and potential action by a general practitioner. In this study the effect of disclosure on diagnosis was greatest after six months.4
We agree that comprehensive interventions may be more effective than simple disclosure in undetected cases and welcome the proposal for further research into the best treatment of mild depression in primary care. However, we consider ourselves to be realists (not nihilists) and would not wish to encourage undue expectations of general practitioners' abilities to influence the outcome of depression. The frequency and duration of untreated depressive episodes were similar to those of treated episodes in a recent study in the United States,5 whose authors argue that the differing characteristics of people who seek help and those who do not make it difficult to measure the value of treatment in mitigating the impact of depressive disorders.
Senior lecturer Department of Primary Care, University of Liverpool, Liverpool L69 3BX
Honorary lecturer Department of Medicine, University of Liverpool
Christopher Dowrick, Iain Buchan
Israeli students are refusing to perform intimate examinations on anaesthetised women without their informed consent.